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There is no one right way use these tools. If you find some way that works better for you, please let me know and if you need additional help feel free to contact me.
Thanks Bill Scott
Springs
Four coil springs are located at each
corner of the chassis. The springs determine how much weight is transferred to
each corner of the car. The springs are mounted in such a way that they can be
adjusted up or down to change ride heights. Springs are rated by how many pounds
it takes to compress the spring
The ideal spring combination is one that would produce equal amounts of wheel travel at all four corners of the car. At all ovals, the heaviest weight is being transferred towards the RF upon entry into a corner. This means the RF corner of the car will travel more requiring a stiffer spring than the other 3 corners. The higher the numbers the stiffer the spring.
An overall softer spring package is usually preferred over a stiffer setup. With a softer setup though, you run the risk of having the car bottom out on the track. This can be cured by using a stiffer sway bar & or raising ride heights. Using softer springs will cause the car to roll over more in the corners. This may require using higher camber angles to compensate for the roll.
In general stiffer front springs will make the car tighter. Stiffer rear springs will loosen the car. Weaker front & rear springs will have just the opposite effect. By changing the spring stagger between the LF & RF as well as the LR & RR, you are able to effect the way the car reacts under acceleration & braking. Spring stagger is the difference in spring rating between the left & right side of the chassis. Running more spring stagger up front, with a weaker left side spring, will tighten the car under acceleration while loosening it under braking. i.e. a 16lb LF spring & a 21lb RF spring. The greater the difference, the greater the chassis response during these transitions. Running more spring stagger in the rear, with a weaker left side spring, will have just the opposite effect as the front. Instead of tightening the car, it will loosen the car under acceleration & tighten it while braking.
The RF & RR springs change the roll couple distribution of the chassis. A stiffer RF spring will make the car tighter. This is because the the stiffer corner won't accept the body roll & will continue forward creating a push. A stiffer RR spring will have just the opposite effect & create a loose condition. The LF & LR springs effect the chassis by changing the wedge or cross weight in the car. A stiffer LF spring will make a car looser going in & coming out of a turn because it takes wedge out of the car. A stiffer LR spring will tighten the car from the middle, out of a corner because it keeps cross weight in the car.
You'll notice that when making a spring change either stiffer or weaker, it will have the same effect on the chassis as it's diagonal opposite corner. In other words, if you decide to make the RF spring weaker to help loosen the car, you could also make the diagonal opposite corner (LR) weaker to also help loosen the car. In all actuality, what your doing by changing both diagonal corners together, is changing the wedge or cross weight of the chassis. Try to remember the diagonal corners as pairs. And that whatever one pair does, the opposite pair will have the opposite effect. Using this method makes remembering what spring does what a little easier. In reality then, all you have to remember is what one spring adjustment does, and you should remember how all the others corners are effected.
Let me give you an example. Just remember that a stiffer RF spring equals a tighter condition. Now I know that diagonally a stiffer LR spring also equals a tighter condition. Now a stiffer RR & LF (diagonally) would have just the opposite effect (loose) on the chassis. Now if I have a loose race car, I now know I can try a stiffer RF or LR spring, or a weaker RR or LF spring. All will help to tighten the chassis. I remember all this by simply knowing that a stiffer RF spring equals a tighter race car.
As you can see, it's really easy to get confused over what spring does what & how their strength or weakness effect a chassis while cornering. Let's try to put it in it's simplest form.
Spring synopsis:
Weaker LF will make the car tight.
Weaker RR will make the car tight.
Weaker RF will make the car loose.
Weaker LR will make the car loose.
Stiffer RF will make the car tight.
Stiffer LR will make the car tight.
Stiffer LF will make the car loose.
Stiffer RR will make the car loose.
Overall stiffer front springs will make the car tight.
Overall stiffer back springs will make the car loose.
Overall weaker front springs will make the car loose.
Overall weaker back springs will make the car tight.
Increasing front spring stagger will tighten the car under acceleration & loosen it under braking.
Increasing rear spring stagger will loosen the car under acceleration & tighten it under braking. (This will become more apparent as the RF tire wears and may cause the chassis to snap lose in the latter stages of a tire/fuel run)
Tire Temperatures
When I talk about the inside of each tire, I'm referring to the
edge closest to the inside of the car. When I refer to the
outside edge of each tire, I'm referring to those edges that are furthest from
the outside of the car. Tires are marked within NASCAR Racing as O for outside,
M for middle, & I for inside.
I previously mentioned that
every adjustment we attempt to make on a racecar, is an attempt to try an
maximize the grip of each tire. By taking tire temperatures of each tire we can
"read" how well our chassis is performing. A good tire man can tell how a
racecar is handling without ever watching it perform on the track & without even
talking to the driver. Tire temperatures are the only scientific proof we have
of how a chassis is working. It's easy for a driver to misinterpret how a car is
handling. Tire temperatures eliminate that mystery by telling us which corner of
the car is over or under worked.
The information I am going to discuss below, is what I've learned over the years working on real race cars. Some of the tire testing information I will mention below has given me various results. Some of this information transfers rather well. Use this information to the best of your advantage to better understand the concept behind reading tire temperatures.
Tire temperatures are taken with a tool called a tire pyrometer. This tool is inserted into the tire on the inside, middle, & outside of each tire to give us readings across the surface of the tire. By comparing tire temperatures across the surface of the front tires we are able to tell if we have proper camber angles, proper toe, proper weight distribution. By reading the average temperature of the RF & comparing it to the average temperature of the RR we can tell if the chassis is loose or tight. Comparing diagonal averages indicate the proper amount of wedge in the chassis.
The optimal tire temperatures should be in a range of 100 to 180 degrees. Keep in mind that the hotter the tire the quicker it will wear out. It's important to realize what the outside & inside of each tire is. The inside of each tire is the edge closest to the inside of the car. The outside edge of each tire are those edges that are furthest from the inside the car.
On a short track it is normal for the outside edge of the RF tire & the inside edge of the LF to be 5 to 10 degrees cooler. This is because of the way the tires travel down the straightaway. On a larger track with longer straights, this spread will be even further. On an oval, the RF tire will have more negative camber, thus resulting in the inside edge of the tire contacting the track more than the outside edge giving you the higher temperature. On the LF you will run with more positive camber, so just the opposite holds true. While cornering these temperatures should even out if you have the correct amounts of camber & or weight transfer. The more camber you run, the higher these spreads will be. On a small track were you spend a lot of time cornering, you'll find the spread not as high. This is because your spending more time cornering than on the straights, thus distributing the temperatures across the face of the tire more evenly. If you try to achieve even temps across the tire you may develop a push. This is telling you that you have too much positive camber. Although the tire may be flat on the track, on a straightaway, the tire will not be flat on the track while cornering.
By comparing the average temperature of all four tires you can see which corner of the chassis is working harder than the other. To figure the average temperature of a tire, add the 3 temps across the tire & divide by three. If your RF is a lot hotter than the other three tires your probably pushing because the RF is doing too much work. Work on cooling that tire off by lowering the RF spring and allowing the other tires to share some of the work load. By comparing the RF average to the RR average you can tell if the chassis is loose or tight. The RF should be about 10 degrees hotter than the RR. If it's higher your probably pushing. If it's lower your loose. A tire is being under worked when it's temperature is a lot lower than the other three tires. When a tire is cooler or under worked, try concentrating on that corner of the car. Try adding weight to that corner of the car to increase the temperature of that tire. If a tire is a lot hotter than the other 3 work on making that tire cooler.
It's also informative to compare right & left side, front & rear, as well as diagonal averages. Print & use the tire temperature sheet I've provided to help track all this information. To see if you have the proper wedge, average the RF & LR tires & compare them to the two front averages & two right side averages. Your diagonal average should be 5 to 10 degrees cooler than both the front & right side averages. If it is warmer you have too much cross weight. If it's cooler then you need more cross weight or wedge.
The best way to decipher tire temperatures is to run 10 laps on a particular setup & monitor tire temps. Don't expect to learn everything reading the temps only once. It will take a number of 10 lap sessions to sort everything out that is going on with the tires. When analyzing tire temperatures it should be done in a specific order. This is because a problem in one area may mask a problem in another area. Here is what I do.
Run 10 laps, adjust front cambers.
Adjust toe if needed. Run 10 laps.
Adjust wedge. Run 10 laps..
Adjust for tight or loose condition based on RF & RR average. Run 10 laps.
Look for overheated or overworked tire. Adjust on that corner. Run 10 laps.
Repeat the process all over again. Run 10 more laps.
When checking tire temperatures it is important to make sure your not locking up the brakes or making any sudden changes in your steering outputs. These will all create erroneous tire temperatures readings. Let me try to simplify how to read tire temperatures by giving you this guideline.
A tire with too much NEGATIVE camber will show an excessively higher temperature at the INSIDE edges.
A tire with too much POSITIVE camber will show an excessively higher temperature at the OUTSIDE edges.
A car with too much toe OUT will show higher temperatures on both INSIDE edges of the front tires.
A car with too much toe IN will show higher temperatures on both OUTSIDE edges of the front tires.
A RF tire that is HOTTER by more than 10 degrees over the RR indicates a tight condition.
A RF tire that is COLDER by more than 10 degrees over the RR indicates a loose condition.
A tire with the HIGHEST average temperature is the corner of the car that is being most worked.
A tire with the LOWEST average temperature is the corner of the car that is being least worked.
A RF & LR diagonal average that is the same or higher than the front & right side average indicates too much wedge.
A RF & LR diagonal average that is more than 10 degrees lower than the front & right side average indicates not enough wedge.
Let me reiterate once again that the results you see may vary. Using these guidelines will give you a better idea of what your trying to achieve & should get you in the ball park of a quicker more stable setup.
Lets look at a few examples.
RF
I----M----O
208--202--194
Indicates too much negative camber.
RF
I----M----O
194--202--208
Indicates too much positive camber.
RF
I----M----O
204--188--197
Indicates an under inflated tire.
RF
I----M----O
204--210--197
Indicates an over inflated tire.
RF
I----M----O
204--198--194
Indicates correct camber. Overall average temp is 198.6.
RR
I----M----O
227--225--223
Overall average temp. is 225.
If the RR & RF temp above
came off the same car we would have a very loose racecar. The RR is
approximately 26 degrees hotter than the RF. If this RR is also the hottest tire
on the car, it indicates the RR is doing the majority of the work in the
corners. This is the corner of the chassis I would work on. We need to take some
weight of this corner to cool this tire. I'd start by going with a weaker RR
spring. This should cool this tire & tighten up the chassis.
RF
I----M----O
215--192--186
Outside edge is too cool indicating we need more positive camber. Average temp.
is 197.6. Let's compare this with the RR below taken on the same car.
RR
I----M----O
190--188--186
Average temp. is 188. This tire is 10 degrees cooler than the RF indicating a
neutral handling chassis. This should be good, but we could be faster with a
camber change on the RF. Let's adjust the camber on the RF, run another 10 laps
& take temps again below.
RF
I----M----O
200--195--190
Camber looks much better now. The average temp is 195.
RR
I----M----O
192--190--188
Average temp. is 190, but now when we compare the average of the RF & RR we find
our temperatures too close to each other. After the camber adjustment we no
longer have a neutral handling car, but one that is now on the verge of becoming
loose. Your general feeling may be that the camber change made the handling
worse, and it very well may of. But were still heading in the proper direction.
You may have to take a step backwards at 1st to take 2 steps forward later. We
can now work on increasing the temp of the RF or work on cooling the RR to
increase our average split between the RF & RR. To increase the heat in the RF
try a stiffer spring. To decrease the heat in the RR try a weaker spring. Either
way you will make the car tighter. How much of a change depends on how much it
changes your tire temps. Run another 10 laps & review your temperatures again.
Eventually you should be faster than your neutral handling setup with improper
camber in the RF.
As you can see from the above example there isn't always an immediate cure. Chassis setup is sort of like solving a puzzle. Experiment & learn as you test. Always keep in mind that you may be going the correct way, but there could be an adjustment elsewhere that may be masking your initial change. Because of this chassis setup can become very frustrating for the novice and experienced alike. For every change you believe your making for the better, it will have an adverse effect elsewhere in the chassis. If for example your car feels great going into & through the middle of a corner, but is loose on exit, you have to tighten it up somehow. Curing the loose condition exiting the corner now has probably messed up your chassis going into the turn. Now you must loosen it up again. It's a constant battle of give & take. Hopefully by monitoring tire temperatures you can eliminate some of the mystery of how & why a chassis is reacting like it does.
Tire Temperature synopsis:
Optimal temp range is between 130-160 degrees.
The hotter the tire the quicker it will wear.
The hottest tire on the car is the tire that is being worked the most. The coolest tire is the least worked.
Work on the corner of the chassis that is either the most overworked or least worked 1st.
A tire with too much NEGATIVE camber will show an excessively higher temperature at the INSIDE edges.
A tire with too much POSITIVE camber will show an excessively higher temperature at the OUTSIDE edges.
A car with too much toe OUT will show higher temperatures on both INSIDE edges of the front tires.
A car with too much toe IN will show higher temperatures on both OUTSIDE edges of the front tires.
A RF tire that is HOTTER by more than 10 degrees over the RR indicates a tight condition.
A RF tire that is COLDER by more than 10 degrees over the RR indicates a loose condition.
A tire with the HIGHEST average temperature is the corner of the car that is being most worked.
A tire with the LOWEST average temperature is the corner of the car that is being least worked.
A RF & LR diagonal average that is the same or higher than the front & right side average indicates too much wedge.
A RF & LR diagonal average that is more than 10 degrees lower than the front & right side average indicates not enough wedge.
Wedge
Wedge is also known as cross weight or
diagonal weight. Wedge is the total weight of the RF & LR corners divided by the
cars total weight. Wedge is used to keep the back of the car tight entering a
corner while also adding bite exiting a corner.
The total amount of wedge required depends on track size & roll couple in the car. A setup that will spin it's tires easily will require more wedge to counter act the traction loss under power. A setup with a higher gear ratio or one that does not spin the tires will require less wedge. Wedge is required to get through the corners. Excessive amounts of wedge can slow the car down & wear the RF & LR tires prematurely.
Where as changing the front & left side bias is done by moving lead ballast, changing the wedge is done by screwing up or down on load nuts located over the RF & LR shocks. You might think that by changing wedge you would change left side or front bias, but that isn't the case. No matter how you adjust the wedge the left & front bias will always remain the same. Increasing wedge will tighten the chassis. Decreasing wedge will loosen the chassis.
Wedge synopsis:
Increasing wedge tightens the chassis.
Decreasing wedge loosens the chassis.
Chassis adjustments &
possible causes
This section will list excessive chassis adjustments & what there effect on the
chassis & or handling of the car will be. Please use this section only as a
general guide. You may not see the same exact results as mentioned below. Other
component settings may mask changes made in different areas. Adjustments in
other areas may be needed first before you see some of the changes indicated
below in certain areas. All troubleshooting answers assume the rest of the
chassis is already set correctly or close to being correct.
Too much negative RF camber:
Inside of tire excessively hot.
Car turns into a corner too quickly or becomes loose.
Too much negative LF camber:
Inside of tire excessively hot.
Reduced pull to the left entering a corner.
Chassis will tighten up from the middle out.
Too much negative RR camber:
Inside of tire excessively hot.
Tight condition from the middle out.
Too much negative LR camber:
Inside of tire excessively hot.
Loose condition entering a corner.
Too much positive RF camber:
Outside of tire excessively hot.
Car turns into a corner too slowly & feels tight.
Too much positive LF camber:
Outside of tire excessively hot.
Increased pull to the left entering a corner.
Chassis will loosen up from the middle out.
Too much positive RR camber:
Outside of tire excessively hot.
Loose condition from the middle out.
Too much positive LR camber:
Outside of tire excessively hot.
Tight condition entering a corner.
Too much caster:
Car is more difficult to steer, more servo effort is required.
Car will tend to loosen up the more the wheel is turned.
Not enough caster:
Car too sensitive, steering becomes twitchy.
less servo effort is required to turn.
Excessive caster stagger:
Harder to steer in one direction than the other.
Car will pull towards the side with less caster.
Car will be loose entering a corner.
Too high a ratio:
High rpms, potential for a blown engine.
Loss of traction or wheel spin when accelerating.
Loss of top speed at the end of a straight-away.
Too low a ratio:
Low rpms.
slow off the corners and restarts
Car is sluggish upon acceleration.
Car is under powered.
Too much front bias:
Will cause car to push.
Not enough front bias:
Will cause car to be loose.
Too large a bar:
Car is stiff, unstable & does not roll while cornering.
Car pushes through the corners.
Front may tend to slide & not take set.
Car may get tighter as you progress through turn.
Too small a bar:
Car rolls excessively while cornering & could bottom out on the RF.
Back of the car is hard to control & is real loose.
Car is slow to respond when changing directions.
Too much toe out:
Car is difficult to turn into corner.
uses power
Car may not take set in the corner.
Car will want to push.
Car may wander under heavy braking.
Too much toe in:
Car turns into a corner quicker
than it should with very little wheel movement.
uses power
Car will is loose upon entry into a corner & is generally unstable.
Too much left bias:
Will cause car to pull to the left.
Car will turn left much easier than right.
Car will loosen itself up when negotiating left hand turns.
Not enough left bias:
Car will not turn left into a turn as easy.
Car will turn right much more easier.
Car will be tight when negotiating left hand turns.
Too low a ride height:
Car will bottom out.
On the RF,LF, & RR the car will feel loose.
On the rear will increase straightaway speeds.
Too high a ride height:
On the LR will loosen the chassis.
On the LR may cause the RF to bottom out.
On the RF will tighten the chassis.
On the rear will increase rear traction & bite.
Front shocks too stiff:
Car will push entering the corner while braking.
Car will also push while accelerating exiting a corner.
Front shocks too weak:
Car will be loose entering a corner while braking.
Car will also be loose exiting a corner while under acceleration.
Rear shocks too stiff:
Car will be loose entering a corner while braking.
Car will also be loose exiting a corner while under acceleration.
Rear shocks too weak:
Car will push entering the corner while braking.
Car will also push while accelerating exiting a corner.
Too high a spoiler:
You'll notice slower straight-away speeds.
Chassis will feel tight while cornering.
Too low a spoiler:
Quicker straight-away speeds.
Chassis will be loose while cornering.
Front springs too stiff:
Car will Understeer.
Car be stiff & unresponsive.
Front springs too weak:
Car will Understeer.
Front of car will dive entering a corner & may bottom out while braking.
Excessive body roll.
Mid turn push.
Rear springs too stiff:
Car will Oversteer when accelerating.
Excessive wheelspin.
Rear springs too weak:
Car will Understeer.
Excessive rear squat when accelerating possibly bottoming out.
Car will roll over onto the RR.
Car may be slow to take a set.
RF too stiff:
Car will push or Understeer.
RF too weak:
Car will be loose or Understeer.
LF too stiff:
Car will be loose or Understeer.
LF too weak:
Car will push or Understeer.
RR too stiff:
Car will be loose or Understeer.
RR too weak:
Car will push or Understeer.
LR too stiff:
Car will push or Understeer.
LR too weak:
Car will be loose or Understeer.
Too high a ratio:
High rpms, potential for a blown engine.
Loss of traction or wheel spin when accelerating.
Loss of top speed at the end of a straight-away
Too low a ratio:
Low rpms.
Car is sluggish upon acceleration
Car is under powered.
Too much:
Car will push.
Prematurely worn RF & LR tires.
Not enough:
Car will be loose.
RF & LR tires not carrying there fair share of the load.
Handling problems & possible
causes
This section will list various handling
problems & what might be causing those handling problems. Please use this
section only as a general guide. You may not see the same exact results as
mentioned below. Other component settings may mask changes made in different
areas. Adjustments in other areas may be needed first before you see some of the
changes indicated below in certain areas. All troubleshooting answers assume the
rest of the chassis is already set correctly or close to being correct.
CAR iS UNSTABLE
Excessive front toe.
Too soft a shock.
Too much camber stagger.
Excessive front or rear bias.
Not enough caster
Excessive caster stagger.
Front sway bar too stiff.
Excessive front or rear brake bias.
Fuel load had changed. .
Too low a ride height
Spoiler too low.
Wrong springs.
CAR iS UNRESPONSIVE
Springs too soft.
Shocks too soft.
Front sway bar.
Too much caster
CAR iS OVER RESPONSIVE
Springs too stiff.
Shocks too soft.
Front sway bar to stiff.
CAR IS LOOSE ENTERING CORNER
Too much stagger.
Not enough toe out.
Too much negative RF camber.
Too much positive LF camber.
RR camber too high.
Too much caster stagger.
RF caster too high.
Not enough front brake bias.
Not enough front bias.
Front sway bar too small.
LR ride height too high.
LR shock rebound too stiff.
LF shock compression too soft.
RR shock rebound too stiff.
Front shock compression too soft.
Rear shock rebound too stiff.
Spoiler too low.
Front springs too weak.
Front spring stagger to high.
Rear springs too stiff.
RF spring too soft.
RR spring too stiff.
Front spring stagger too high.
Steering ratio too high.
RF caster too high.
Wedge too low.
Driver error. (erratic throttle & steering inputs)
CAR IS LOOSE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CORNER
Wedge too low.
RF spring too soft.
RR spring too stiff.
Too much rear spring stagger.
Front sway bar too soft.
Stagger too high.
Excessive front toe (in or out)
Improper camber settings.
Not enough negative LF camber.
Excessive positive camber in the RR.
Too much positive caster.
Too high a gear ratio causing wheel spin.
LF shock compression too low.
LR shock rebound too high.
RR shock compression too high.
Spoiler too low.
Driver error. Compensating for a corner entry push.
CAR IS LOOSE EXITING A CORNER
Too much stagger.
Wedge too low.
LF caster too low.
Too much positive LF camber.
LR spring too soft.
RR spring too stiff.
Decrease rear spring stagger.
Too high a gear ratio causing wheel spin.
Too small a front sway bar.
Excessive front toe (in or out).
Too stiff a rear sway bar.
LR ride height too high.
Rear shock compression too stiff.
Front shock rebound too soft.
Spoiler too low.
Rear spring stagger too high.
Front springs too weak.
Rear springs too stiff.
Driver error. (erratic throttle & steering inputs)
CAR PUSHES ENTERING CORNER
Not enough stagger.
Too much toe out.
Not enough negative RF camber.
Not enough positive LF camber.
Not enough caster stagger.
Too much front brake bias.
Too much front bias.
Front sway bar too stiff
LR ride height too low.
LR shock rebound too weak.
Front shock compression too stiff.
Rear shock rebound too weak.
Spoiler angle too high.
Front springs too stiff.
Front spring stagger to low.
Rear springs too weak.
RF spring too stiff.
RR spring too soft.
Front spring stagger too low.
Steering ratio too low.
RF caster too low.
Wedge too high.
Driver error.
CAR IS TIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A CORNER
Wedge too high.
RF spring too stiff.
RR spring too soft.
Not enough rear spring stagger.
Front sway bar too stiff.
Stagger too low.
Excessive front toe (in or out)
Improper camber settings.
Too much negative LF camber.
Not enough positive camber in the RR.
Not enough positive caster.
Too low a gear ratio.
LF shock compression too high.
LR shock rebound too low.
RR shock compression too low.
Spoiler too high.
Driver error. Compensating for corner entry looseness.
CAR PUSHES EXITING A CORNER
Not enough stagger.
Wedge too high.
LR spring too stiff.
RR spring too soft.
Too low a gear ratio.
Too much front bias.
Too large a front sway bar.
Excessive front toe (in or out).
Not enough positive LF camber.
Too small a rear sway bar.
LR ride height too low.
Rear shock compression too soft.
Front shock rebound too stiff.
RR shock compression too low.
Spoiler too high.
Rear spring stagger too low.
Front springs too stiff.
Rear springs too soft.